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Missy
09-06-2016, 10:09 AM
Why do people let go of the handle bars when they are in position 2?? It's like they are trying to prove they don't need to! As an instructor, that totally bothers me!! Help on how to handle these people??

apriln
02-21-2018, 03:18 PM
Omg this drives me crazy! I always say something like ďif you value your front teeth, please keep both hands on the bars at all times...Ē Iím afraid theyíre going to slip and bang their mouth on the handlebars!

kickerjoy
02-22-2018, 06:52 AM
It's happened while I'm subbing, and I address it since an injury could actually occur on my watch and I could be held liable. I first cue the room, both hands on the bars while standing. If you need to take your hands off the bars for a posture break, sit down. Come back up when you're ready. If the person continues to ride with one or no hands standing up (yes, this happened!) I'll go over and off the mic tell them to stop. Sitting in the saddle without holding on doesn't bother me as much, they could just need a break-or they don't know how to attend to efforts lasting longer than a 3 minute radio edit.

Vivienne
02-22-2018, 11:56 AM
So, here's where you and me are different, kicker.....if, despite all my cues about the reasons for keeping in touch with the handlebars, some Libertarian decides that they want to *show me* and do the "Look, ma....no hands" position, I have no qualms about giving out cues and analogies that make them look and feel foolish......and even decide to leave the class. Yes, it's happened. Discussed it with other class members at the time (and I never gossip about folk who leave early)......purely because I anticipated a complaint to "management" and wanted objective feedback to present.

Everyone needs a break. Booty break. Posture break. Focus break......my take is that an IDC class is no place to be practising unicycle skills.

Vivienne

Vivienne
02-22-2018, 11:57 AM
Omg this drives me crazy! I always say something like ďif you value your front teeth, please keep both hands on the bars at all times...Ē Iím afraid theyíre going to slip and bang their mouth on the handlebars!

So, you want to put us dentists out of business?? Shame on YOU

kickerjoy
03-07-2018, 05:13 PM
So, here's where you and me are different, kicker.....if, despite all my cues about the reasons for keeping in touch with the handlebars, some Libertarian decides that they want to *show me* and do the "Look, ma....no hands" position, I have no qualms about giving out cues and analogies that make them look and feel foolish......and even decide to leave the class. Yes, it's happened. Discussed it with other class members at the time (and I never gossip about folk who leave early)......purely because I anticipated a complaint to "management" and wanted objective feedback to present.

Everyone needs a break. Booty break. Posture break. Focus break......my take is that an IDC class is no place to be practising unicycle skills.

Vivienne
I have a feeling that your skills in dealing with this far surpass mine. While subbing a group I barely see, I let more go, and keep things extra dumbed down-I mean simple. Not so much education. Shut up, be present and ride safe. And I remind them of what that means...No behavior that could cause an immediate injury because guess who has to stay and deal with the aftermath...um no, not interested. So I say THAT a bit snarkily to the room-itís something the libertarian can actually understand. I am curious as to what you say to the grinders and bucking broncos, and generally too much resistance that I havenít thought of yet. I do have a couple of those that havenít been reached...

Vivienne
03-08-2018, 02:40 PM
I am curious as to what you say to the grinders and bucking broncos, and generally too much resistance that I havenít thought of yet. I do have a couple of those that havenít been reached...

You look like an idiot.

Yes, Srsly!

I protect(ed) myself, gym management....and also save other class members from such nitwittery. After multiple efforts a kosher cuing, I decided to make it quite clear. I reckon I've had no more than 3 or 4 members got off their bikes and walk out of class....to the relief of everyone.

Vivienne

kickerjoy
03-08-2018, 05:23 PM
You look like an idiot.

Yes, Srsly!

I protect(ed) myself, gym management....and also save other class members from such nitwittery. After multiple efforts a kosher cuing, I decided to make it quite clear. I reckon I've had no more than 3 or 4 members got off their bikes and walk out of class....to the relief of everyone.

Vivienne
AMAZING! Just. AMAZING!

Vivienne
03-13-2018, 10:14 AM
AMAZING! Just. AMAZING!

I should qualify this by saying that I've never tried to make a class member look foolish (some don't need my help) and also I've had the luxury of working at gyms where management always had my back......and where I didn't need to teach. IDC instruction was my avocation......and not something that paid the bills etc.

Not tremendously different from when I had my dental practice. I wouldn't have been able to support a non-working spouse and provide for fancy living for a family with, say, 3 kids.....all at private school etc. etc. (my husband reckoned I ran the office like a Finishing School) Sometimes you can afford to do what's *right*.......and sometimes you can't.

Vivienne
03-13-2018, 10:35 AM
So, kicker, I'm reminiscing here (bear with me).......one of the take home messages from my dental school days (early 1970s .....yikes!!!) was from one of my professors who stated that we shouldn't be worried about pissing off our patients with good advice. Well, he didn't quite phrase it that way (he should've!) and he also had a tenured faculty position with a gua-RON-teed paycheck no matter how many folk he pissed off. But still....

You don't have to be *everyone's* fave IDC instructor/dentist/physician/lawyer etc. etc.......you just have to do what you *know* is right (and stay current on information about being *right*) It's actually not that hard in the fitness world because there are so many folk who're DOIN' IT 'RONG......but the trials come because the 'RONGSTERS tend to be the most popular (Soul Cycle??1?) Back when I first moved up to the Boston environs from LI, I taught at a small gym where, suddenly, there was an instructor who taught *advanced* classes. I asked for feedback from the front desk/personal training/random dudes (NOT IDC)......general concensus ...."He's bat-shit crazy, Viv"...... "We try to steer folk to your classes"....."You know too much"......"You're old and no-one wants to be like you". Check three out of four.

See what I mean??

MarthaK
03-14-2018, 10:41 AM
Your posts always make me laugh. You reminded me of a recent incident. The club where I teach cycle got new Keiser bikes recently and each instructor was asked to give a demo ride. There was one young woman who insisted on riding with no hands even after I explained the reasons not to. She then had the audacity to ask another instructor about riding with no hands while I was standing right there! I was flabbergasted.

Vivienne
03-14-2018, 12:09 PM
Your posts always make me laugh. You reminded me of a recent incident. The club where I teach cycle got new Keiser bikes recently and each instructor was asked to give a demo ride. There was one young woman who insisted on riding with no hands even after I explained the reasons not to. She then had the audacity to ask another instructor about riding with no hands while I was standing right there! I was flabbergasted.

So, how did *flabbergasted* look. There are so many memes out there on Facebook etc. that could do it better than the two of us combined. Like....Srsly

MarthaK
03-15-2018, 07:11 AM
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dreaded_tri
03-15-2018, 01:48 PM
merely to play devils advocate and in no way condoning it, but, the saying goes 'if you don't do it out doors don't do it indoors'. I am that person that will sit up and cycle outdoors no handed. I am fully aware of the risks and my own ability, i wouldn't promote it in any way, but its less dangerous on a stionary bike than a moving bike.

I also realise that there's real relevance to my post to help the argument. There are a lot worse practices out there than sitting up on the sale for a few seconds here and there.

kickerjoy
03-15-2018, 05:14 PM
So, kicker, I'm reminiscing here (bear with me).......one of the take home messages from my dental school days (early 1970s .....yikes!!!) was from one of my professors who stated that we shouldn't be worried about pissing off our patients with good advice. Well, he didn't quite phrase it that way (he should've!) and he also had a tenured faculty position with a gua-RON-teed paycheck no matter how many folk he pissed off. But still....

You don't have to be *everyone's* fave IDC instructor/dentist/physician/lawyer etc. etc.......you just have to do what you *know* is right (and stay current on information about being *right*) It's actually not that hard in the fitness world because there are so many folk who're DOIN' IT 'RONG......but the trials come because the 'RONGSTERS tend to be the most popular (Soul Cycle??1?) Back when I first moved up to the Boston environs from LI, I taught at a small gym where, suddenly, there was an instructor who taught *advanced* classes. I asked for feedback from the front desk/personal training/random dudes (NOT IDC)......general concensus ...."He's bat-shit crazy, Viv"...... "We try to steer folk to your classes"....."You know too much"......"You're old and no-one wants to be like you". Check three out of four.

See what I mean??

I always feel like responding to your posts because they're always so sharp, on target and amusing...obviously, you're right. I'm thankful that I'm a Kept Woman (The title Trophy Wife was taken already:)and don't have to do this for any reasons than pleasure, keeping out of trouble, practicing my social skills...(check one out of three at any given time). I guess when you want to keep your job for whatever reason, you try to figure out the best way to get people to buy in to what you're doing. (Also I used to be a teacher in my previous life, so maybe that's where the mindset comes from?) Getting directly confrontational isn't my way. If I were being honest, it's not my comfort zone to get that direct. Or maybe I find that a nondirect approach-cuing the room works better most of the time. Plus, a confrontation could potentially ruin the positive atmosphere in the room-it's like dealing with a live powder keg. The person who persists generally makes themselves look stupid all by themselves anyways. And like you said, they're usually not making this stuff up. They're learning it from another instructor in the facility, who is giving them the understanding that the stupid thing is good for them somehow. Honestly, there are days I want to stand up and say "PEOPLE I DID NOT PULL THIS INFORMATION OUT OF MY ASS!" Now THAT might cause me to lose my job....

kickerjoy
03-15-2018, 10:14 PM
merely to play devils advocate and in no way condoning it, but, the saying goes 'if you don't do it out doors don't do it indoors'. I am that person that will sit up and cycle outdoors no handed. I am fully aware of the risks and my own ability, i wouldn't promote it in any way, but its less dangerous on a stionary bike than a moving bike.

I also realise that there's real relevance to my post to help the argument. There are a lot worse practices out there than sitting up on the sale for a few seconds here and there.
I donít think any of us are referring to sitting up and taking a posture break with hands off the bars if needed. Canít eqsilymfqll off an indoor bike while recovering like that. Issue is more riding with hands behind the back to ďengage the coreĒ, or riding with one or both hands off the bars while standing up. Things like that. Although I once saw a biker riding down Prospect Parks bigger hill...with his hands behind his back. Full cycling kit, clipped in, fancy road bike and all. My heart was in my mouth watching him...hoping he arrived alive.

Vivienne
03-21-2018, 09:41 AM
merely to play devils advocate and in no way condoning it, but, the saying goes 'if you don't do it out doors don't do it indoors'. I am that person that will sit up and cycle outdoors no handed. I am fully aware of the risks and my own ability, i wouldn't promote it in any way, but its less dangerous on a stionary bike than a moving bike.

I also realise that there's real relevance to my post to help the argument. There are a lot worse practices out there than sitting up on the sale for a few seconds here and there.

Appreciate the Devil's Advocacy......but in the context of this thread, it's an honkin' big Straw Man argument.

I've frequently sat up in a class to demo a concept or move. I've frequently gotten off the bike to connect with riders/adjust the AC etc. I've also demonstrated the *Look Ma.....no hands* position (hands behind the back whilst grinding in a *hard* seated climb....to *engage the core/look like a tool?*) So, I'll ask......if you wouldn't do this as an instructor (with knowledge and insight into what can happen if a casual member tried this and came off badly), would you condone it for everyone elsein your class?

Vivienne
03-21-2018, 09:46 AM
Although I once saw a biker riding down Prospect Parks bigger hill...with his hands behind his back. Full cycling kit, clipped in, fancy road bike and all. My heart was in my mouth watching him...hoping he arrived alive.

Last Summer, I posted a photo on my FB page of a rider coming down Lookout Mountain.....full cycling kit etc. etc.....but, no helmet and earbuds in.

Everyone in the car was passing various opinions. Me, I reckoned it was a Good Thing. We need more organ donors